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Fun project, make a graph over time, plot data points for user base size and community engagement spanning blitz2,3D,Max,Monkey and now Monkey 2 then draw a line across the top of the data points and project the trend forward.
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I don’t think he can, I’m not even sure he owns max or blitz3D any more I think he handed them all off, so its possible a full mergers is out of the question because he’s no longer in control.
People need to stop looking at mark as a business man or in a lot of regard’s as a professional developer, if you squint your eye’s and glance at him as a bedroom coder or hobbyist then everything starts to make way more sense.
That aside, and since some people are having trouble understanding the split concerns I felt I could throw some light since I was there and watched it unfold.
So Basically we had Blitz2D and a website behind it, Along came Blitz3D which was an extention of the language into the realm of 3D which successfully I might add used the existing community and forum and many of the 2D Users became 3D users, then we moved onto Max a new language and a new way of doing things, but again we kept the same community and again many many of the people from 2D and 3D moved to Max and it was a success, christ I would argue its forums are more active that ours and its ancient now in many regards, so when mark started work on Monkey I think everyone expected the same thing, what actually happened was Mark made a whole new website and SPLIT the community, those that moved to monkey essentially left the old site which removed their presence from that community and moved it to the new monkey site, so now we had the monkey site with a much much smaller userbase, and the the blitz site with a hole where loads of people used to be, and used to post and contribute, this was really bad, people rightly so got pissed and a lots are still pissed. and if that’s not bad enough Mark did it again with Monkey 2 which lets face it, is more like a rewrite and update of monkey than any kind of new language but yet again he SPLIT the community and took a small tiny community of people that was sticking by him and keeping his forums active and he split them in two for a second time.
So yeah while you might not see it, if you didn’t go through it, It’s defiantly a thing.
The Only silver lining in all this is that he’s finally moved to a decent web back end, it’s just a shame he’s still not using it to it’s potential.
The Primary issue you have right now is that a) Mark likes the name and b) Mark does not give a toss what we want or think, he’s making this tool because he enjoy’s making it and he feels no pressure to bow down to peer or financial pressure so the chances of him taking any of this on board are slim to none.
Mine are more community related and support related, personally I dont mind the language changes those I can learn “IF” and when I decide to make the move and start projects in Mk2.
- The Name.
- The Second (Face Palm!) Community Split
The Name is stupid, plain and simple, it’s got near zero search ability, sorry but looking for monkey code I do not and am sick of seeing pictures of the little monkey riding the baby piglet, sure its cute but its not what I’m after, not to mention the fact that 90% of the people I talk to hear the name and you can actually see the light in the back of their eye’s switching off its really fkn frustrating .
The First community split should have been all the evidence that mark needed to show that a second one was insanity, what’s that old Einstein quote “Insanity is repeating the same thing and expecting different results”.
Bottom line I am not getting into mk2 because its name sucks, its community is freaking tiny, like stupidly so small its mostly the same people posting every day, that’s not a community that’s a club, and a small one at that, and I have lost all faith in Marks ability to make good decisions when it comes to monkey’s future or the communities future..
This is good to see, it’s one of the things I would need if I ever wanted to port my project to MX2 so nice to see it being done.
@Mark a suggestion for the module manager, why not have a form/submission system built into the IDE, having something in IDE would I think help prompt people to use it more, also unless you know its in there it’s fairly easy to miss.
That was the wrong copy and paste sorry the error was actually with two colours, UIRed and UIBlue, I changed them all to just blue and red to get it to compile.
PATH=D:\devtools\i686-5.3.0-posix-dwarf-rt_v4-rev0\mingw32\bin;${PATH} thats the error BTW..
I guess I could edit the source and throw a colour in there so it compiles but I wonder if there is anything else thats just gona break if I mess with it.
binary pls.
Is there a post for suggestions ? – since I am here already , how about links in the code window, I often have functions or methods in different source files that interact so I’m tabbing through tabs a lot to get to them, it would be nice to use a comment like ‘Tag:Something or something like that and then some where else something like ‘Link:Something and have that comment become clickable which would then take me to the named Tag/Bookmark, bookmark might be a better name lol, you get the idea tho.
sweet thanks man, keep up the good work this is really starting to look seriously good.
Oh and this is looking nice caught my attention, nice work.
Cant build the source for some reason, any chance you could add a binary to the repo?
way to insult the people that made what mark does possible…. nice work… keep it up…
o.O
hate to say not much about Mx2 has me excited, but I am really starting to like the look of this IDE which is a really good thing. nice work.